A Burden For The Times
A Burden For The Times
Unsung Heroes and the Quest for Equality: Black History Remembers Part 2 Episode #81
Venture with us to the historic grounds of Fort Monroe during the Civil War, where three daring souls sought liberty, and General Butler made a pivotal choice that would ripple through the fabric of history. Through these narratives, we connect the courageous acts of individuals to the grand tapestry of emancipation and civil rights, reminding us that bravery in the face of adversity can indeed shape the course of history.
Zooming back to the present, we scrutinize the experiences of Ray Sprigle, a journalist who assumed a Black man's identity to cast light on the grim reality of segregation in the South. His articles not only revealed the tenacity of the Black community but also the systemic racial injustices that plagued America. Join us as we share resources and invite listener contributions.
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Hey and welcome to another episode of the podcast. Thank you so much for all those who join us, especially during February, which is Black History Month. If you didn't listen to the last podcast, we did some highlights of some different events and different people. But one of the events I mean people that we highlighted was Bass Reeves, and so let me just do a shout out to one of the listeners. Actually, there's a couple of people that reached out and was like hey, look more, getting very interested in what they're about.
Speaker 1:But a shout out to Mitch Alman, who's been on the podcast stuff before, but I didn't realize that he was a movie actor. Him and his wife both were in a movie and had actually featured Bass Reeves and told his story. So he very excitedly told me about, you know, the not only showed me the link and I'll put this in the show notes too as well the link to his movie, and he was like it's not like a super high budget movie, but I was just looking at him and being like man, that is so cool. I didn't know you were into acting and doing those kind of things. So the burden for the times community is so super diverse, so it's super cool, so we're thankful for all those who listen and those who jump involved, and so, without that being said, I hope that you're enjoying all of the history, interesting history lessons, as we've gone through these times of black history. And so we have one more, and that will be for this month. But right before we get started, let's do what we always do.
Speaker 2:Let's start with a white question. Sure, can I ask one question? Did I get it right? Did Mitch say I messed up anything Cause now I'm like, oh man, if he actually knew the story. My first thing is like I think I told it well.
Speaker 1:I know he didn't say a thing about it.
Speaker 2:He listened to you.
Speaker 1:He liked it, broadcasted it. He gave me the heads up and I'm going to go back and read it in between the lines now. But I think it's all good. But anyway, again, I didn't realize that he was such a legend. It kind of one of those things where I just showed up to the party late and didn't realize it. But anyway, with that being said, let's start with this light question.
Speaker 1:Anton, I'm going to start with you on this question, because I know that you're going to be really thinking, and so this, just so you know, this is the first time my brothers are hearing this question, and so I'm just curious, cause I've had some time to really think through it, as I was on the plane today and thought well, I think this would be a good one to start things off. We've been talking about this whole forward and rewind button. I just really haven't gotten off of it yet. It has nothing to do with forward and fast, forward and rewind as far as your life. But, anton, would you rather go back to age five with everything you know now, or whether would you rather know now everything your future self will learn, so you can go back in time and be five with everything you know, or you could be at your present age and every lesson you've learned in your life can be brought to this day and you will know it now. Which would you do?
Speaker 1:Oh, it's the present day, one Present day, you want everything that your future self would know. Yes, porqué. Why is that?
Speaker 3:Because I think if I had to go back, I know who I was at five. I think my matured and I get not know. I know who I was at five. That's what I'm saying. I know who I would be like when I say 15 to 21, and I was an arrogant person. So I wouldn't listen to anything that I know now anyway.
Speaker 3:So I would waste about 10 to 12 years being my normal arrogant self, whereas now I have a long way to go, but I think I'm in a better place than I was then. I think I could utilize that information more wisely Interesting.
Speaker 1:Interesting Aaron, how about you.
Speaker 2:I would do the same, because at this point, however long I live to be so, my 75 year old self may look at my 40 year old self and be like bro, come on now. But I would still say I would want the current, because at five I don't know if I really want to know all the stuff I knew at five. Now I'm even saying five or six or 10. Like I don't really want to know how bad the world is. There's some stuff about being five and just ignorant and blessed buddy, like just sitting there playing that Nintendo, having fun and not knowing a whole lot of stuff. I'd go back to right back to that. It may put me ahead in some areas, but in other areas I'd be messed up.
Speaker 1:That is interesting. As this question is formed, I'm gonna agree with you all too as well. But there are one part of the question. If I were to change that, it would make me have some serious thought, and that would be if I changed the age to 18. Now, if you told me 18, then I would begin to think okay, there's a lot of lessons I've learned, things I've done differently, way of handling. I mean, could you imagine everything that you would know about your marriage and stuff ahead of the game Not saying that you're gonna determine events, but how to love your wife better? Like you would know all of that? Like think of all the fights that did not have to happen If you had learned what you have learned. And so for me it's like you said 18, but no, you can't rock childhood. I can't be sitting over here trying to figure out some big world problem at age seven instead of just playing Donkey Kong Country like we were doing as kids.
Speaker 3:And so anyway, can I say one more thing, though? We're not gonna drum through this for too long because it's a ridiculous hypothetical, but I'm saying. My issue, even with the 18, is that knowledge is not wisdom. Yes, you can know things Well, that's not the same. That's my point of maturity and a lot of other things I would not have had. You can know things. That's not the same as being able to apply those things to help the situation. So when you say I'm gonna miss all those arguments, I don't think so. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I think I'm a more dangerous man. I think you're a more dangerous man who knows a lot of things but does not have any wisdom.
Speaker 2:That's all I'm saying Well, I would even go a step further the other way Again, not trying to go down the route whole too much, but flowers.
Speaker 2:Was it flowers for Adrenon, right, anton, is that the name of the book? Yeah, where the guy gets that he was the guy with special needs. But then they did these as a course fiction. But they did these experiments and they got him to where he was smarter than everybody in the room, he was a genius and then nobody liked him because he had so much knowledge and he knew more than everybody. That's what I feel like it would be the flowers of Adrenon situation even in marriage and everything. So I would have to. I may know all those things, but I don't know if it'll help my wife, because some of the lessons that we learned we had to learn together and so just because I had the information and had the quote, unquote knowledge on how to love my wife at 18. Ain't nobody trying to hear that?
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:That's my thought.
Speaker 1:Hey, I get totally, totally heard and stuff I'm about to say I'm not sure if this is a situation I need to defend my position or not, but I hear it I would. I would defend it real quick Is the fact that you're like? I would like to think that you're right, anton, about knowledge is not equate wisdom, because God is Omniscient, but also God is all wise, meaning that the perfect implementation of all knowledge is definitely going to be wisdom. And so Well, here's the reason I'm saying that. It's because, with all that knowledge, I am assuming and hoping obviously and maybe I would be totally off base here is hoping that I would Possess the spirituality to be able to have the capacity for that much knowledge. So, therefore, having the spirituality to be truly apply that, that I would be, as some people say, like you know you're old, you're wise beyond your years, or you know You're an old man in a young body, whatever that would be. It would be kind of cool to kind of walk, not like a sage, enjoy life, still be young, but still be able to be that kind of you know I don't know the word would be, but just you know, just be wise, just be wise about some of those different things.
Speaker 1:So, anyway, well, I'm sure that took a couple minutes long. They will be, you're thinking, but we usually start off by saying let's start off with something light, but then we get to something heavy. I think we have a very good way of making anything heavy, no matter what. The question is Um. With that being said, we're gonna go into our people and events of black history that are really unique and special. Um is anybody specifically want to go first? I do, but I don't know if anybody specifically wants to go first.
Speaker 2:Go first, sir. I mean, let's, anton has something, go first.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, good, good, I just don't want to be the host. I know the host and it seems so terrible to be like I'm gonna go first, but I really do, because this was really cool. Um, I've been doing some study on this and and, uh, let me give it to my little monologue here of history, because the reason why this one is so unique and special to me is, um, it's only 1.6 miles away from my home and mine is not a person, it's not necessarily a place, but actually it's a thing and it's a living thing. In fact, it's a tree and the significance of that tree that is there. And so that's just my little teaser.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you the significance in it, but I gotta tell you the story first so you can understand the significance. So we got to go back into 1861, um, obviously the beginning of the civil war, and as at during the time, the confederate forces pretty much had gone to different Plantation owners and different things, and they basically Hired the slaves that were there to come and work for the confederate army and they were making whatever Ammunition, war mounds and different things like that to be able to aid in the confederate army. Now, now, 1.6 miles is a tree, I'm speaking of but about three to four miles from my house.
Speaker 1:It's fort Monroe. It's on a little area right there by the bay, by the harbor, and now it's you'll creek that separates the two. But you can to paint the scene, if I can, even though we're doing this audio on one side of the harbor you had fort Monroe, and then the other side of southern shore, um, you have the confederate fort that was there, and so there's a harbor separating the two. Now, obviously, the union abolitionist confederate then, obviously having very much in fighting for slavery and different things. Well, with that being said, um, the confederates were working the slaves hard, but as they were working them super hard over on that side of the bay, um, they got rumor that they were actually going to move further south, which, obviously, for slavery, for their south, means that you can't make any type of runs to the north or make some type of a Labric scape. And so these three men, on may 23rd 1861, shefford, mallory, mallory, I'm sorry Frank Baker and James Townsend, they escaped and they went across the river in a skip and they got over to the union side, to fort Monroe. When they got there, though, um, you might think well, why didn't everybody just go across the river.
Speaker 1:Well, the fugitive slave act was still in power, was a constitution in the constitution, which meant that every person who was a slave Um would be returned back to their owners, depending on whoever it was that was there. I'm sure not everybody followed it, but for the majority, people followed it. And so when they got to their side, they took a huge risk because I personally, other side, could look at them and said hey look, I'm going to turn you right back over to your master and when you go back, not only will I look good, but you're going to get in big trouble. Right? But they found general ben butler, who was there at fort Monroe and he would. He, he actually made a bold decision and he said this hey look, these guys are here in virginia and actually by this time virginia has to see it from the union. And he said so. Therefore, there's no constitution, so I'm not going to abide by the fugitive slave act. I mean, they seceded and since they seceded there's no true constitution for this seceded state.
Speaker 1:And since he did that, he decided to deem the people that came To hampton at that time as contraband or enemy property of the state. Now they still consider them to be property. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's a whole lot better than slave. At least there's a path to be. You know, you're at least enemy property and so basically couldn't be touched.
Speaker 1:Well, for Monroe, oh man, it became a slave magnet. And then it grew to a population of 10,000 people and they actually created two towns that was in our area where I live right now Slabtown and also contraband camp. Those were the names. They became a such a community. They have their own fishing, they, they, they fished for oysters and did these different things. Well, with that being said, at first they were treated just like slaves. But then the union decided you know what we have? You're 10,000 people here. They started to pay these people and so by October of that year they were actually earning wages. I mean, we're looking at some form of indentured servitude by this point.
Speaker 1:Well, the union said we can't afford to keep paying all these people, and so they asked for a nonprofit to come and help out. I'm going to get to the tree. I promise they get a nonprofit to hand help them out. And it was from the American Missionary Alliance. And there is a woman by the name of Mary Smith Peake who came. She was a missionary woman and what she did is she held classes for the people that were in those two towns under this gigantic oak tree that is 1.6 miles away from my house. And as she has, as she's teaching all of these slaves how to read again, huge risk she's taking by doing so and as she takes this risk, she's teaching these slaves how to read and then by January the 1st 1863, if we fast forward time emancipation proclamation telegraph goes out. Obviously, then freedom takes place and I understand Virginia has succeeded, but again it paid the way for the 13th Amendment. That would soon happen after that.
Speaker 1:However, it was cool because that same place where that tree was is literally now Hampton University and that tree is called the Emancipation Tree Because what happened is under that tree in that community. What they did is they had the reading of the Emancipation Proclamation during that time and so most likely now this part's not proven, but most likely the person who read the Emancipation Proclamation was probably a student that Miss Peake had taught. And can you imagine in a person with not professional background and literacy reading the Emancipation Proclamation to that huge community of slaves? It just to me, it gives me goosebumps to some degree.
Speaker 1:I live in a house as a black man, 1.6 miles in my walk, with two vehicles inside of the car and everything, and 150 years ago, down the road, at the same tree, at Hampton University, the Emancipation Proclamation was read. It's pretty cool. Sometimes you look for history in so many other places and sometimes it's truly right there in your backyard. So anyway, with my explanation, did you already know about the Emancipation Tree? Nope, nope, cool. Yes, I finally. I never know any of the people y'all say so finally I found something that no one knew.
Speaker 2:My question was going to be this Did you find out about like something locally, or were you reading something and then found out about it?
Speaker 1:That's why oh no, I was at Hampton University and, as I was going around, one of the people that were there it says hey, you got to go turn by the Emancipation Tree, and then you get to such and such place and I'm like, the Emancipation Tree, like I just I just thought that's what they called it. And so then it led me to discover and I'm like what Are you kidding me? And so, yeah, I discovered it after someone there on the campus told me about it. So that's all All right, I'm number one. So who's number two?
Speaker 2:I can go ahead. It's Anton Go ahead.
Speaker 3:My person is Claudette Colvin. She was born September 5th 1939. She's going to be most famous, I guess. To start kind of like her childhood, her father did not take care of her family so they were given to their great aunt and uncle, who raised them At age 15 would be the thing she's most known for, and that is she was arrested for sitting on a bus. It's a similar story to Rosa Parks. She actually was on the NAAC Youth Council and her mentor in that council was actually Rosa Parks.
Speaker 3:After getting arrested she was disparaged and people made a lot of comments about her. For people who are unfamiliar with the story, the big reason she was not chosen as the whatever and I think it speaks to kind of the broader point that I was going to make later that the reason she was taken off the legislation that Rosa Parks would be on later is because she got pregnant and also the fact that she was considered unattractive. If you read a lot of the civil rights activists and white newspapers of that time, she was a darker skinned woman who a lot of people thought would not be able to for white people to feel sorry for her in the same way that Rosa Parks was she also because she was having a child out of wedlock. A lot of people did not think that white Americans would be willing to pass the same legislation or feel the same way they did about Rosa Parks. So a lot of time after the initial legislation and Montgomery Busway Court she was kind of fractured from the civil rights movement as a whole because people thought that she was kind of a cancer. That could not really be, that would not help the cause or the narrative. So for many years she was suffering from depression and anxiety. For the reason I did not only gave a birth date and a death date. She's actually still alive, whatever. She is 84 years old and lives in Atlanta.
Speaker 3:The biggest reason I think I chose her is because, at least in a lot of my conversations a lot of people have struggled with even to point to something that just happened the George Floyd scenario. We struggle with messengers that are not perfect but still require our dignity and should be given dignity Even. It doesn't really matter about the other circumstances of why. Like to me, it's very sad that she's almost removed from history books, although she deserves the same rights as everyone else. You don't have to be a perfect subject to be given rights. I think that's a problem that we still struggle with today. I think her story really highlights the fact that sometimes if we don't like something or if again, like Jesus said, let he who hath no sin cast for stone, we really are really quick to throw someone out of a conversation about just rights because they do not meet our own moral code. But that does not exclude someone from rights or even, in my opinion, exclude them from history that they did make.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's one of the most that might be one of the most powerful little segments there on the podcast right there. We've been going back for three years, I guess, maybe just because it just hit me at the right spot, or whatever it is. But, man, what are the optics of that? And how sad it is that as many times we have to have a perfect test subject to be able then to be able to have sympathy or whatever it's. For it's just, and the thing is, it's a sad reality, like no one's going to argue. It is a sad reality Like you're telling me that you know the success of a lot of different public speakers or whatever it is, just because they look nice. I mean, say what you want, you know. I mean, when you are physically attractive, people then are connected and therefore you're able to. Then I mean, call it what you want. But it's a reality and it's just one of those things where, wow that she just didn't have the story for the profile. Aaron, did you have any thoughts?
Speaker 2:No, actually I just heard of her because Shilan was talking about her. I don't remember where Shilan, but in the book. I was trying to look in the books that we had read on one of our car drives and I was trying to think because I sounded familiar but I think it was Shilan who was talking about it that she was supposed they wanted to use her for the Rosa Park situation. But they she wasn't, like you said, the optics that they were looking for, because she oh sorry, she initially was and the thing is she got.
Speaker 3:She was already the person they didn't want to get, but she was still listed. But then when people found out she was pregnant, that became. Then she was just removed completely. She was already at the bottom tier and I do think, just to piggyback off what Adrian said, a big thing that has to be just again said and acknowledged is that even if you look at the civil rights documents and civil rights leaders themselves, the biggest thing of what people were saying made her unattractive was her dark skin, and that is just factually correct.
Speaker 1:You mean like? You mean like as far as like African dark kind of thing, yeah, I mean Rosa Parks is a far more fair skinned black one.
Speaker 3:I see she's a black to be black. Yes, she was, yes, black to be black, and she had what people would consider again in our time we would say natural hair as opposed to someone's hair, was straight and laid in a different way, that she was just not the test subject that they thought would be presentable to widen their man, I've been chewing on this for a while.
Speaker 1:We're not going to talk about it here, but we're going to move to Aaron's here. But I just just in passing, is, I've been trying to get a definition of what politics is, and because I know what we're getting ready to go into in 2024, and I was just listening to something, you know just kind of the idea that money and power, having a conversation, you know, like, like the people, it's just one of those things where it's a political move, Like what do we mean by those advantages to ourselves or whatever it is? But it's just, it's just a sad, sad reality of fall with me and I don't know if that's just a you know whatever. You just consider that to be part of the fall and something to that regard. But man alive, that's just. I hate that, but I know it exists and there's really nothing you can do about it, sadly enough. But, Aaron, for you, your your pick.
Speaker 2:My pick is actually a white guy, so a white guy from black history. So but I don't say exactly, but I'll get there. But I was going to say I was going to do one that was close to me, kind of like your emancipation, the emancipation tree about the Crownsville Hospital. That is literally up the road from us and it was an insane asylum that they put black people in, that they were the first. They made the people, the black people who were there, build it like farm, it, do everything for the asylum and it's a great story about the Crownsville. But then, like, as we got closer, I couldn't pull all the stuff together, I didn't feel to present it well, but it was something that I had found that was right around the corner from us, interesting. But I was like, oh man, this seems like a good thing. But I didn't want to tell it halfway because I started a couple of books on it and different things and I was like I won't have any time but maybe next, next black history month, I'll tag it and do it, but mine is going to be a gentleman named.
Speaker 2:There's another guy who did something similar, but his name is Sprigal and he is a journalist. He's a journalist who We've heard of the book. What do you call it? 30 Days, no, black Like Me. So have you read Black Like Me, god? 15 minutes? Oh, sorry, as the book starts playing. Have you ever read Black Like Me, anton? Yes, all right.
Speaker 2:So, in the same vein as Black Like Me Spigel, he's a journalist who's more of an adventure journalist, who likes to get those stories back in the day. He'd go do extreme stories and so in his book well, he didn't write the book, but he has articles. He was a newspaper journalist and so he had 30 Days of Black man and in his 30 Days of Black man he goes out under quote, unquote, undercover, from a white guy to pose as a Black man for 30 days and he now chronicles his story as he walks through it. And his goal was not, honestly, as he started, was not to see how crazy racism was in the Jim Crow South, his goal was just to honestly sit down and have real conversations with Black people that he couldn't have if he wasn't Black. So as you listen to the story in his multiple articles, I've not been able to find and maybe somebody else I have not found outside of a paywall the articles that he wrote. So I can't tell you where to go find them, but I can tell the book and some of the podcasts and things that I've listened to and gathered.
Speaker 2:But as Spriggo starts out, he tries to find a way to color his skin and so he tries all these different things. He has colleges and people working, chemists working on this to try and help him find a way Later on in Black Like Me, griffin, he does actually color his skin and do it, but here he couldn't find it. So he went to Florida and literally just baked himself until he could pass for dark skin and then he started the journey into the Black community for 30 days and it's funny because one of the things that he writes is probably like two days in. He talked about he's only been a day or two as a Black band and he already has a contempt for his own race and he just walks through the difficulties that it became from trying to pretend to be Black.
Speaker 2:So he traveled with an NAACP representative and he just drove through, I think, 3,400 miles through the South and just chronicled his everyday things. And some of the things that kind of stuck out to him as he drove were like number one, like the health care for Black Americans. So this is what? 1948, when he wrote the articles. So we're only talking 76 years ago. So I know sometimes we think this is the wrong way 70.
Speaker 2:Wow, so we're talking these articles. Black Like Me. Griffin's book was actually written in 60s, so we're talking early 60s when that one was written. So again, sometimes we think these things are way far out. They're not as far as we'd like to think they were. But he talks about how health care, how doctors the White doctors would literally just let they'd have these people come in, like, of course, the White people come in and be treated and then, like if a Black person had even a life-threatening problem, if they got to it, they got to it, if they didn't, they didn't and they could let people like literally just die and not do anything.
Speaker 2:He talked about how, the repulsion of that. He also talked about voting. So he told the story of one, of a vet who came back from the war and how he had served his country, had survived all the battles, but when he went to vote they killed him and so he placed his vote and he ended up. Some of the people White people, the town found out and they killed him. And he talks about how he had fought however many things for his country, survived all these battles overseas, and then came back because he thought that he had the same freedom that everybody else that he fought for. And then the schools he talks about the school situations and how no one would even be able to learn in some of these situations, and so it's just a Spriggle's a great story, I mean. Okay, so I'm gonna be honest as a journalist, it is he's driving a narrative. So I do understand that, like, this is not a objective. Oh, I went down, he is driving a narrative. So if I'm just trying to be fair to all sides, so to speak, that yes, he had a point he was trying to make, and so some of the times when you read through it, you'll see, okay, he's just trying to make a point and he's using things, but still just a whole thought of how horrible it was. And even as him like who's being quote unquote a light-skinned black guy who's posing, as I mean, who's a white guy who's posing as a very light-skinned black guy and nobody even knows, just because he says he's, just because he says he's black, all of a sudden he gets treated in horrible ways. He experiences horrible things.
Speaker 2:But one of the things I thought was great in his story and he says that he is surprised that as he went through and met all the people that he met in his travels, the black people that he sat in their homes, and I did all those things. It wasn't them that wanted to get away from white people. It was white people that wanted to get away from them, and he said that they loved anybody. They welcomed him in his home. One guy who we found out when he was a white guy. They had no problem with him, and so he just talked about what it was to live in the South and experience all those things, and so then he comes back I believe it's the paper in Pittsburgh and he writes his articles, and I mean he's literally land blasted because of all the things he said.
Speaker 2:That people are saying is not true. One of the interesting things that I find is, though, they use all the same arguments that we have today that he's a communist, he's a socialist. He's just saying. It's hilarious that when you read through, it's like none of these things are new. People have been saying the same thing, they've been saying things, they've been walks through all those things. But it's an interesting read.
Speaker 2:I would say Black Like Me is a more engaging book, but one of the book and that's Griffin when he did it. But I would say Spriggle's book, the one I read and looked through, one of the key ones that I went through it's 30 Days of Black man and it is I mean, it's a more historic read, so he deals with a lot of things that during that time not just Spriggle, but it was an interesting study in my part of what it was like. Again, he's a white guy for black history, but the impact that he made in that article allowed, again, like others, for the people of North to see well, this is happening in our country and when they didn't even some people didn't see under their it was right under their noses.
Speaker 1:You know, as we're going through all these stories, it is a marvel to me because mine was the oldest story Anton had a pic that was from Claudette that she's still alive. And you're talking 60, 70s, right? And as we're talking about these things, I guess for me the thing that just really is just illuminating more and more and grassing more and more is like people are like well, racism and stuff is all over with. That was just in the past. Dude, people aren't even dead. Dude, these people are alive. You know what I mean. Like, like the system, like there's. You know about the argument about systemic racism. We haven't even had a cycle to get it out of our belly yet. You know what I'm saying. Like it's still there. Like how could I just eat poison and then just tell everybody it's gone, it's taken care of. But, bro, you still got to work it out to some degree and it's, I don't know. Just one of those things where it does make me marvel of like. Do you actually hear what you are saying?
Speaker 1:as you discuss these things that aren't so in the distant past. Wow, well, I think those are great picks, man, I really, I'm really riveted myself, challenged myself as well. Um, just so, um, for the audience's sake, as we go through this latter portion, just be able to talk about the tips and tools that are here. Um, for the, the emancipation tree, obviously you can just Google it, but as a kid's book about, it's called under the freedom tree, um, this basically tells a story from the three guys perspective that went across the brick, I mean, that went across the harbor and got to the other side. Pretty much just tell their story.
Speaker 1:It's a very short book but, um, the author and I'll put it inside of the, the notes of this, susan Van Heck, but uh, yeah, a little book, you know, kind of tells a little bit of the story and for me it's like I told my daughters hey, you know, we're going to take a Saturday over there, we're just going to go take pictures with it. It's you know what I mean I can burn down tomorrow. I don't know, it's just, you know just history, and I want to be able to then honor that past. You know, it's cause. That's the whole point, the big points of this entire podcast is, you know, obviously, as we go through and think through these things is to remember, um, definitely, where the Lord has brought us from. So, anton, any books or anything like that? That got to get a little bit more light to what you were talking about.
Speaker 3:Um, uh, little known heroes is, uh, Cloddick Colvin. It's a children's book. Um, obviously it's not as whatever, but I think it's a good reef for kids. I'm outside of that. They're actually making a documentary now. Um, that is not out. There is a book, but I don't think again, I don't recall the title, but I don't think a lot of people are going to want to read it because she is not the main character and she's a. Anyway, it's very long. But, um, the documentary that's coming out with Anthony Mankey, the guy who plays whatever is producing it and that's supposed to be out next year.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, gotcha. Well, I'm glad there's some spotlight, because I'm sure that must be a little bit hard for her to hear, all the Rosa Park days go to every place and see Rosa Park sitting on a bench and stuff, and she was like mm. That was supposed to be me right? You know kind of uh kind of thing, erin, what about you Any type of books or things to go from there?
Speaker 2:Um, again, though one that I'd say, right off the top of my head, that would be the best resource. Again. It's more of a historical read, so, um, but it's 30 days of Black man and it's not by Spriggle. Um, I need to grab the author, um, but we'll put it in the in the notes, um, the book. But I would say the other thing is, I guess I appreciate it because I'm a perspective guy and so I like to hear, see every perspective, and so when I read this, I appreciated someone who walked in a different perspective, that they don't normally have to try and see something from a different perspective, and it's funny.
Speaker 2:Um, I was talking to someone who was a little older than me, um, but not much, and I think, well, it's actually two people, one a while ago and one recently and they said, as a kid, they don't remember seeing a Black person to their in high school or college.
Speaker 2:And I remember having that conversation and it wasn't they're not, they're not prejudiced at all, or anything like that but it was just like I couldn't even imagine that perspective of not seeing a white person until I was, like, in college or high school. I'm like I wouldn't even know what that like I can't even my mind came in fathom that. And so when read reading Spriggo's book, it just, uh, helped me. It was a good read to see like, oh man, this is what happens when you step out of somebody else's role Cause sometimes again in their race conversation, it's like, oh well, it could be a little, this is a little overblown, or you're making that up or doesn't supply to everybody. And then watching Spriggo walk through and then, after he was done with all his reporting, seeing that people still said the same things that they say today about him, was like, oh okay, yeah, so it's not just me, it is that this is the road really happens. So yeah, that perspective Indeed.
Speaker 1:Indeed. Well, this has been, this has been great. Um. I think, though, we come to the end of this time with going through all these different characters and different folks from history, and I really truly do hope that, as we've taken time to reflect, um, because the whole purpose of this entire black history month remembers type series is to educate and then also remember and then reflect, and, as we did reflect, we float on how things that we can do better in the future. We are educated about things that we didn't realize or have understanding before, and so we appreciate you going on this journey.
Speaker 1:There are many of you have made the podcast part of your discipline, I guess, of sorts, and we're glad to be part of it. And if this is something you do for black history, to be able to then educate yourself or at least take a little bit of time to really focus in, hey, thanks, we're honored that you would take the time to be able to join us. Hey, go us in either the comments or just send us a message, or whatever it is, of different characters that maybe like to see highlighted, or maybe ones that are probably very less known, or some even documentary that you know that it's coming out, that would also describe some type of lesser known figure that really does that same vein of thought of educating and then remembering and then reflecting. So, with those things being said and those books being recommended, are all hearts and minds clear, clear. Yes, sir, all right. Well, we thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1:Let me throw this out there to you and the next podcast. We hope that you do join us. I we will be placing a little bit of a disclaimer upon the next series that we're going to be working through. When I say disclaimer, it just means that it would be one that you might not listen to with the kids in the car. So we your discussion is advised Exactly. So that's a little bit of the sneak trailer, because it truly will be that and we want to be sensitive to that and we'll make sure that all of the different taglines and different things are there. But I just wanted to make sure that you knew on this side that we're going to be doing about three or so episodes Concern the next topic that we're going to be covering, and just making sure you have that awareness as we got ready to cover it. But we thank you so much for joining us and we look forward to joining us next time.
