A Burden For The Times
A Burden For The Times
The Battle of Mobile Titans: Apple vs Android
Is the Apple vs. Android debate the tech world’s version of UNC vs. Duke or Lakers vs. Celtics? Join us as we explore this iconic rivalry, reminiscing about past mobile giants like BlackBerry and Razr, and examine why the Apple vs. Android debate has persisted so fiercely. Anton will even draw "interesting" cultural parallels, likening the passionate loyalty of Apple users to that of fervent Donald Trump supporter????
Ready to uncover the key differences between Android and Apple users? We dive into the feature wars, comparing Apple's built-in conveniences like Focus Mode and Private Relay to Android's endless customization options. Unique features such as Apple's Dynamic Island are put to the test against their Android counterparts, shedding light on the distinct user experiences that fuel this tech rivalry.
Ever wondered if your smartphone brand says something about your personality? Our playful analogies liken Apple devices to luxury vehicles and Android devices to dependable workhorses, sparking a lively debate about user experience and device management. We'll also touch on resale values, comparing Apple products to Hondas, while humorously debating car comparisons like the Chevy Traverse vs. Honda Pilot. This episode promises a compelling, comprehensive examination of the Apple vs. Android debate, filled with personal anecdotes and insights guaranteed to entertain and inform.
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Hey and welcome to another episode of the podcast, and so on this podcast, you probably have read the title and it's the debate that has happened for years and years in our world. You have UNC and Duke rivalries, you have the Lakers and the Celtics rivalries and so many other rivalries, and so we're going to do a fun episode and take on one of the big, big rivalries of our time in the tech space, and that is Apple versus Android. We're going to talk about all the different facets and stuff and, even though this is a little bit of a nerdy conversation, we felt that, after having the two part series where we kind of dissected the cultural influence of Mr Donald Trump, that we would kind of, you know, pull back a little bit, something that's not as heavy, and discuss this kind of topic. Even though I'm sure it's light, I'm sure it's not going to stay light when you're talking about the Burden Brothers, and so we're going to go through all these ramifications of the debate, not really as it replaces cultural influences, let the brothers are going to talk about some type of cultural impact it's had upon us.
Speaker 1:I just want to have the debate. You're going to find out quickly which sides we stand on. So as we pit these two icons together, why on earth, anton, do you think this debate even rages? We're not even going to start with the light question. We're going to jump right into this conversation. We have a path that we want to get to, so we can then. So why do you think that these two huge icons are being pitted one against each other?
Speaker 2:See, I know it's going to come up later, so I'll try not to hedge or whatever, but I think it is because and you'll see what side I'm on immediately, so I won't even try to pretend that I'm on it, don't hide it I think it's because Apple people have the same thing that Donald Trump people have oh my goodness, oh my goodness. I think you'll understand what I mean. It's their entire personality. It's like if Apple released a box tomorrow, they would have to talk to you about it and justify why the box is new and unique. Or even people in my circle who have a Tesla.
Speaker 2:It's like the door is falling off, but you have to. That's part of the experience. Like Elon's a revolutionary who needs doors that stay on. Again, it's like, no matter what happens, they have to sit there and tell you that this thing that is clearly mediocre. Like in a way that android people don't have to do. Like an android person can buy a phone and say, oh yeah, it's not that great or it's fine. Apple people, no matter what they do, is like revolutionary, brilliant, and my text bubbles aren't this color, and that's very important to me. Like things that just don't matter in objective reality shots fired, shots fired.
Speaker 1:I was thinking like this. This was where I was going. I will just leave what you just said to rest, because we will get to some of that in just a moment. Trump people and iphone people really anti, come on anyway as we look at this, though, I'm thinking like blackberry and razor. You remember these phones like I don't remember, aaron. Did you even have a blackberry growing up?
Speaker 3:I had a blackberry and a razor exactly so, like blackberry and razor.
Speaker 1:I don't remember that debate happening of like blackberry people. I do remember there being a strong BlackBerry group of people, especially businessmen. I mean I think even Barack Obama, when he was in the White House there was like this little picture of him flashing his BlackBerrys he's doing his work or whatever it is. And I remember thinking I had a BlackBerry Pearl at the time. I'm like I got what Obama got. I got a BlackBerry. It was cool, but it wasn't to the same thing where if you walked into any public place and said Apple versus Android and then it's like fight and it would just happen. I don't think that really was that same thing. Aaron, am I making sense of why? I'm trying to figure out why these two are pitted against each other, besides us being people following Donald Trump slash trump, slash, steve jobs in this way that we feel about things?
Speaker 3:I think we're looking at something that was back then the blackberry was like the tesla of. I'm not saying it's the blackberry, is the tesla, but I'm saying only a certain people had blackberry. So I would say today, pretty much I know there's gonna be lots of people who don't have a smartphone, but pervasively everybody has a smartphone today, whereas back then a BlackBerry like people wouldn't even know why they would ever want or use a BlackBerry, unless you're a really tech person or you need it for your business.
Speaker 1:So I'd say that's the reason I don't think it was a big debate, because most people were just happy to have their Razr, a little thin phone, because I would say there was a big debate because most people were just happy to have their razor, a little thin phone, and because I would say there was a big thing about having a razor back in the day. True, like everybody had a razor and it's how you had the red razor, didn't you? Yep, yep, I remember that red razor. I mean because it was the thinner, the better, right yeah, and I remember having some tiny little cell phone.
Speaker 3:It wasn't a razor, but it was like so tiny and like, yeah, it was, they were. Everything was the debate back then, but it was just a different debate.
Speaker 1:I'm going to throw in my little two cents worth of why I believe these two are pitted against one another, because clearly, when you look at the market share of the world, android wins. I mean, android owns 70 percent of the market share of the world, but I mean there's huge reasons for that which you get to. Apple really only controls 28%, and so when we're talking about just the iOS and Android debate, I just think it's a national thing in the sense that it's a United States thing when you leave the United States. Huawei however you pronounce it I've heard it Huawei, however people say it but those phones like in China and stuff. I mean, as long as you can have an operating system that can use WeChat or what's App, then that's all that matters. It doesn't really matter if your phone, you can circle a picture on your phone and then you can automatically search it. It doesn't really matter. Only thing you need is I need a device that I can hold in my hand that can be able to do these two applications, and so I would say that this is because it's a United States issue. I mean well, situation.
Speaker 1:I think that many times it's born within us to be competitive about you know, what I bought is the best, what I have is the greatest. And so here I am, making cultural observations right, what I have is the greatest. And so, therefore, the debate rises like oh, you didn't think I bought the best. Oh, yes, I did. You didn't think I bought the greatest? Oh, yes, I did. And let me show you how I did. And so I think because, in the United States, obviously, these are the two major operating systems you know bar none, and, with that being the case, these two are often pitted because they are the giants. Now again, is there snobbery with Apple? I'm sure there is. Is there snobbery with Android? Yes, there is as well. But so let's start here in this conversation.
Speaker 1:Baseline, we can agree that OS, they're operating systems, right, just to make sure that we're all clear when we keep using that terminology. So, back in the day, android, when they introduced all their operating systems, right, just so make sure that we're all clear when we keep using that terminology. So, back in the day, android, when they introduced all their operating systems, I mean, what was it? I think they do all the desserts of like, uh, I don't know what's, c, d, e, eclair, um fudge, I don't know, ice cream cake, ice cream sandwich, wasn't like. That's what the name of their operating system, jelly bean, kit kat, is. Am I right? Anton? Yes, okay, so they were all desserts that they had. I think in 2019 they stopped, and so operating systems that they have both have have matured. Ios is just numbered one, two, three, four, whatever it is it's been going through with that being said.
Speaker 1:With that being said, what do both operating systems do well? That's the question, aaron, for you. We can just you know, before we get into compare and contrast. You know which. You know being in fairness. I know you are an Apple user. You might still prefer another device, but I mean you are an Apple user, so can you describe which ones? What both operating systems do well in that sense?
Speaker 3:I think they both do the basics well. I would say they both. I mean, like you said, if you're just looking for a device like does WeChat or whatever you were saying in, like WhatsApp, then they can all do the basics well. I would say they also do cater to a certain type of thinking, also do cater to a certain type of thinking In my mind. Anton may disagree with that part, but I would say for me they do seem to lean towards one's more creative side and one would be more of an engineering mindset, and so I think they both speak to those things well.
Speaker 1:Okay, we can agree and I think that we can all say this is truly a first world issue, right of which operating system is better. I mean, it's a phone. What's it supposed to do? Call people? Do they call people? Yes, you know the operating system. Does it search the Internet? Yes, are you able to copy from your phone and then turn to your device and do some other little fancy thing Like? What I'm saying is the basics of what we see it does. Well, anton, would you disagree with that when given credit, because I know that you live in both zones, because you have an OS device and you have also an Android. So how do you see it? Do you see what does the operating systems both do?
Speaker 2:well, I think it's exactly what Aaron said. I would also add that I think Apple does have a better app store, and I mean Google. Play Store is a mess and requires years of knowledge to know what's worth downloading and what is complete junk, so I would disagree with everything Aaron said as well okay.
Speaker 1:so, obviously, if we're going to say which ones do well, then is there any one that you comes to mind that what you say the other does not do well, anton gave a fair one. I would agree wholeheartedly. The Google Play Store I used to be an Android user. I mean, we're talking back during the HTC Bionic days and HTC, when each one I think I was kind of dedicated to HTC before you know Samsung and everybody else was doing their thing. I mean, well, they were doing their thing. I just couldn't afford it at the time. So that's the one that I use for the most part. With that being said, is what do you think that differentiates? Or them? They don't. They don't do as well, aaron, anything specific come to mind?
Speaker 3:I mean again for me, for the person who thinks like I do, I believe I don't know if Android speaks to me as a design, as I don't want to say well, I guess I'm creative, that's the word. Thank you as a creative Android doesn't speak to me. So I mean, even like Apple products speak to me when I open my box and it's all thought out and I pull my device out and it's charged.
Speaker 1:It's a beautiful thing for me and so it speaks to me. Ok, well, I'm going to be fair. Some other features, because even though this is a hardware-ish situation, it really does bake into the operating system as well in the Android. And so when I look at different features that are offered but then I look on like I don't know Anton is there for Android, because I do not have one that would have the latest Android software upon it. But, like focus mode and other type of, you have focus mode for work mode, focus mode, personal mode. You have those kind of modes on your operating system. Yep, okay, so also.
Speaker 1:Let me break down, then, with dynamic um relay, which would then hide your um, your email address. When you do private relay messaging, so like if I, for example, I want to sign up for this Red Robin type loyalty program, but I truly don't want them to truly see my email address I can then choose the option do a private relay. I will still get the email, but they are looking at a jumbled version of what my email is. That's a very gross way of putting it, but you basically that's what's happening. Private relay is that part of your operating system as well?
Speaker 2:It's not part of my operating system, but I have it. That's going to be the issue between Apple and Android. That's why I'm going to leave Android, because I can adapt everything that I have To do it, yes, okay, it's not really going to be a feature that Apple has that I can't mimic, because I don't require Apple to make it to get the app. Whereas you have to wait for Apple to make it.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll be snarky and say you don't have a dynamic island on your phone. You can't make that happen for it to be, because I mean dynamic island that happens in the iPhone is a pretty when the apps that do use it is one of those things where there's still and maybe you have a version of this that you can use where when you're on the phone, talking to somebody on the speakerphone, but you still want to use your phone and you still can see all the volume and all the different aspects.
Speaker 2:I could do that on the Samsung Galaxy S3. Just for the record, it's an S24.
Speaker 1:It's an S23. Where does the bubble show up? Where does the bubble show up? Is it like a YouTube screen, like a screen-in-screen situation? What?
Speaker 2:do you mean I can do anything I want on my phone while being on the phone?
Speaker 1:well, of course you can do whatever you want by just flipping it up, but I'm saying dynamic island lets you still see what's going on the time I also have. I don't I don't know what you mean, because I don't know dynamic island is, but I'm like you also have a little magic pill whatever it's called, but we already have if it's just a little, if it's just a little screen that floats over what you're doing, Like yes, we've been doing that since I was in high school. Aaron speaks the dynamic pill.
Speaker 2:It existed in like 2010. It just wasn't one apple.
Speaker 3:The dynamic island is that little space at the top where the camera sits.
Speaker 1:And the other hardware there.
Speaker 3:yes, yes, and so they have a little thing that gives you notifications and lets you know. So like for me, it's mostly used by Chick-fil-A. When I get my Chick-fil-A order, it shows me the process of my Chick-fil-A or crumble cookie order. That's pretty much what the Diamond Island does for me, but this sounds like split screen, but the person made the split screen? No, it's not even that thing. You're not even talking.
Speaker 2:That's my point. That's what I said. No-transcript.
Speaker 1:And this is my point, I am not going to die on the dynamic island, pun intended, but okay. So I am looking at things that are native, like there's people like we'll pick on mom, right, mom doesn't really is not thinking to herself in her Android that she had an Android. I need to use dynamic relay I mean private relay, so they don't see my email address, but it's built in already to do the thinking for you. In that case, it's not like I wouldn't have thought to do it, because I wouldn't have thought to go to the Google Play Store and do that. So I'm just saying that the native UI aspect is something that is pretty cool in that. But let me get to the second question, because I do believe it then will give you time to air out everything that you truly have against Apple, right? Usually Apple fans are described as drinking the juice and that people are mindlessly just purchasing products without thought. This fact or fiction, starting with you, anton.
Speaker 2:Facts or fiction, fact, fact, fact Prove your fact, because I could say and again this is going to be anecdotal Whenever you talk to an Android user, they've tried out 10 phones to come to. If they're a Galaxy fan again, I've been a Galaxy fan if they're a Pixel person, if they're a Huawei person, no matter what line they're using. It's like even the Flip, the Samsung Fold everyone kind of has their own niche. But they've tried so many products. Apple people usually have never actually looked at anything other than an Apple phone.
Speaker 2:I usually look at Apple phones because I'm just trying to buy the best phone for me, where I would say Apple people are trying to find the best Apple phone, and to me that is again closed-minded. And why? It's like their entire personality is just Apple. It's just like what you're describing. It's like that's existed forever. You just haven't picked up a phone, probably from a non-Apple maker in a decade.
Speaker 2:Therefore, how can you say it's a good phone if you haven't compared it to a phone outside of that ecosystem and they will tell you they have the best phone, while not having touched a phone made by the majority of manufacturers in the world? And that, to me, is a closed somewhat silly position. That how could you even say that it's fiction to the question that you're asking, because by your own admission I would say most Apple people's admission it's like no, I never look at phones that aren't Apple because they don't speak to me or they're not interesting, when it's like that's the majority of phones on the market. If you only look at three to four phones because most people aren't even going to look at the low-end Apple phones because they're trash you're only looking at the regular iPhone and iPhone Pro. Those are the two price comparisons and that's the only phones you looked at. It's going to be hard for me to take your review seriously based on such a skewed set of data.
Speaker 1:Low-end phone being trash. I can't believe you said such words, aaron. Before I go into my dialogues, I mean my monologue about those diatribes diatribe monologue that we're getting ready to go into. Do you have any thoughts about fact or fiction, apple fans or just drinking the juice?
Speaker 3:I know from an outside perspective and I going to say that that is what it is and I can see that I can say, if I'm speaking for myself, I don't believe I'm drinking the juice. I believe I bought into an ecosystem and I would believe that, but I don't believe I'm drinking the juice. But then again, I have never owned an Android phone.
Speaker 1:So I can say that outright.
Speaker 3:I've had Android phones but I've never purchased them.
Speaker 3:I've either got them from somebody else who was about to get rid of their phone and I wanted to play around with it uh and so I've got one from them or pick one up by friends who are tech enthusiasts and so, but outside of that I've seen android phones, especially some of the pixels and stuff like that, but I've never purchased one. So maybe I am part of I am drinking the juice, but I'm just saying for me. I do try to look at objectively in this case. I have spent quite a few dollars being in an ecosystem that works well together, and so for me the investment to come out of that ecosystem would be difficult.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, I'm going to preface my comments by saying I have been an Android user. I'm going to also preface my comments by saying that when I was overseas, I used exclusively Android, because I would toggle between an iPhone and an Android phone and then in the States, I would use. When I came back to the States, instead of doing the dual sim tech, I decided to use another Android phone. Albeit, it was not the flagship phones of like a Pixels and Galaxy S series. I didn't use those, but I did use Android devices. So I mean what I say is it's not like I'm novice concerning like Android. Oh man, I get lost. I don't even know what to do. I'm not there, but let me get my illustration. Then I'll tell you what I believe and give Anton a decent head nod, but give some reasoning why I do believe that it's not necessarily all a fact, all right. So my illustration is this.
Speaker 1:So years ago, I bought the. I bought, I used the Amex Platinum card. The Amex Platinum card is a premium credit card. It costs about $595 a year. Actually, at the time was the yearly maintenance fee that you had to pay upon it. I was given an introductory offer, so I went ahead and used it. I mean, the perks on that card are insane and I'm not going to get into it because maybe we can talk credit cards another day. That's my jam and so I love credit card points, but I did it in 2019.
Speaker 1:I became a things called Amex Rewards where you could literally just go in as long as you applied for the reward, you would get these points and dollars back. For example, it would say spend $50 at Best Buy, get $50 back. Spend $100 at BJ's, get $100 back. All you would have to do is click the button, walk into BJ's, slide your card and you would essentially have a $100 credit. During COVID, they gave out just insane, insane amount of IMX rewards, and to the point where $100 at Home Depot, $150 at Home Depot if you spend $150, you know, and I started using, I'm like this is the most amazing card ever, like I couldn't believe it and I thought to myself look at these rewards that you get back. I mean, I literally paid for myself in the first two months of everything I put in. Granted, if those were things that you wanted, but it had so many other features to it. I remember that after COVID, what they did is they did that so they could keep people during COVID and not cancel their credit cards. And so, a year or two later, though, I started noticing y'all ain't doing that anymore. Man, that's kind of crazy. And I called the company and I was like I don't know if I want to keep this card. I mean back in the day when I first had it and I explained, and then, basically, the lady's like man, sir, I know exactly what you're saying. We had during that time. You came in during an amazing time and then now we're not able to do those offers any longer. Now, use that illustration. That's the illustration. I ended up canceling the card because to me it didn't bank the worth that I had already gotten, that I was paying for.
Speaker 1:Now, when I just want to go on a backtrack of what Apple has done over the years and give proper shout out Like usually today you're you're given the impression. A fact or fiction of people drinking the juice gives me the impression that people are like a new iPhone. A new iPhone came out. Oh, I am running toward the Apple store because I have to have it, even though the only difference is they took the camera and made it a little bit bigger. You know, like I think that's the idea that you're giving, but I don't think that you can look back in iPhone 3, iphone 4, iphone 4S. I remember the 4 to the 5. That was a huge jump. They flattened the screen. They made a whole lot of different, not only just inside improvements from the A4 chip to A5 chip, but then they flattened the phone. The form function had changed. Then, remember, for years it wasn't even on Verizon, right, it was only on AT&T. It was a recent thing. So when they opened it up to Verizon to be on CDMA networks instead of just the GSM networks for T-Mobile and all those other things.
Speaker 1:Then when the features came where you could talk on the phone and do GPS at the same time like I know that we just take these for granted, but airport extremes back when those were things and streaming your Bluetooth, streaming Bluetooth music through these different things, then the whole raise to wake feature, where that wasn't a thing.
Speaker 1:What I'm saying is all these features that came out I think it came up during a good time.
Speaker 1:You became an Apple fan at one of the most crucial, the most amazing jaw dropping in my mind discoveries that were taking place within that space.
Speaker 1:It was like going from Nintendo 64 graphics over to Nintendo Switch graphics nearly at every keynote that you found. So, with that being said, you drunk the juice, but let's not pretend. Are there people who are that just do it because Apple is now going to sell animal crackers and they feel that they're the best and they're going to do it? Yes, they are, but I think you're only talking about the quote, unquote drunk people. But I do not think it's just facts that all the Apple fans are just drunk the juice and continue to do it. No, we came up during an amazing time and, yes, has it now the features died off, as far as you know, hitting some type of new precipice? Yes, I do believe that's the case, but I do believe that I still stick with it because of the fact that we still have seen such significant growth and I love the products and stuff that I currently have and have used for all these years. What say you, anton?
Speaker 2:I don't really have anything to add to that. Like I said to me, you're kind of just proving sorry. You're proving my point Like. This is literally my point, because when you listen to apple people, you call yourself an apple fan, which stands for fanatic. I'm not an android fan. They currently make a better product. It's not one of like, it's their personality. It's like you are emotionally attached to a company. I think this is what Steve Jobs, if I put down Trump, what they did well is they're good marketers, excellent at marketing.
Speaker 2:Apple people have adopted a pro-Apple stance. Android people are just people who are anti-Apple. Is really what it's become Because Apple people make it a personality to be an Apple fan. They don't really tell you that the product is superior because they can't. So what they make the argument is is that a long time ago, steve Jobs was working in a lab and struck gold and I was there and I saw the gold and man was it great? And now that has carried on for the next 30 years, has carried on for the next 30 years and although I haven't seen anything to really pique my interest in the last 10 years, I'm still a loyal fan because, wow, remember those days? Okay, that to me is not an argument. That is just exactly my point of you're not looking for the best product, you're looking for the thing you've always had, that is simple to use and you understand and that's fine. But again just say I like apple and that's, but it's not because you're saying superior product and see you like I can.
Speaker 1:I can, I can dive with the marketing, I can, I can jive with everything you're saying, but then just to say factually it's a superior product. I just can't get behind that Because when you put the stats base together for performance to even come close to an Apple phone you have to have double the RAM, double the processing power, double the everything, because there's so much bloatware on an Android phone. When you are the creator of the operating system, like Apple is, you can make such an efficient model that literally you can. What was the first iPhone running? It wasn't even a gig of RAM. Basically it wasn't even thing close. But the thing is it performance benchmark performed better than many of his counterparts Now, not price-wise I'm not even going to go there, not price-wise but many of his counterparts that were there in the Android side.
Speaker 1:So when you say it's just hands down, it's a better product, like, yes, I know I'm in love with it, but at the same time, your Snapdragon, however, many need it to be there to even match what Apple didn't even advertise as their gigs of RAM because they knew it would not help them in the marketing department, but it still beat them. You know what I'm saying, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:Can I respond to this? Sure, sure, I'll give another example, because you gave an example. Apple is the equivalent of a luxury vehicle. Think of again the way you're talking about Apple, because Android doesn't really point to anything. It could be a million things, but it's like having a Bentley, a Lamborghini, a Mercedes no one cares what the maker model is or that it's nice. You're bringing up power. Raw power is really irrelevant to most users. So it's like saying I have a car that has 8,000 horsepower? Obviously you don't, but let's say that were the case, it doesn't matter, because you can only drive 70 miles an hour and everyone's only driving $70,000 an hour. So you can brag about it, but it'll never be relevant to actual, tangible reality.
Speaker 1:Okay, this is going long, but, aaron, you just sit there just for a second. You're doing good.
Speaker 2:Give me a second here To Apple. The same way I would say about luxury vehicles.
Speaker 1:I understand.
Speaker 2:For brand name and recognition, you're paying for things that are not useful to the user themselves.
Speaker 1:I disagree with the analogy. Let me tell you why?
Speaker 2:Oh sorry, go ahead, because most of the things that you're bragging about are, for example, that's why I brought Tesla as well. Simplicity Anyone could get in here and figure it out. All those things are great. However, if you really want to use the best machine, apple is not going to be the best for most people. It is jitterbug for adults.
Speaker 3:That's the quote of the day. Apple jitterbug for adults. That'll be the quote for this podcast. That's what I want to name it Jitterbug for adults.
Speaker 2:Wow, you need to just update your consumer base to make them better at using the product. But it was like, no, we'll just dumb the product down and make it less useful, because more people would like that. And I think again to say that's a superior product. To me, that's just good marketing. The light meter bug saying it's really simple to me that's what Apple has really banked their entire thing on is saying it's easy.
Speaker 1:Okay, back to what you were saying about a luxury vehicle. And then it just. You know what's the big deal. All it does is just forgive, like it. Just it has all this horsepower but it doesn't do anything with it. Now let me tell you.
Speaker 1:Where it breaks down to some degree is because anybody anybody that is does any type of computer work or whatever it is. You know, phone optimization, computer optimization, to make sure that you are running at its best, For example, the laptop that I'm on right now. I am not going to let my laptop become more than 50% of its solid state drive memory, because I know that affects performance. I am always going to make sure that I have cleaned my Mac to make sure that all of my applications are properly closed so that, therefore, whatever tasks I'm working on at the time, it makes sure it has its full attention so I get the best optimum performance.
Speaker 1:Most people are not doing mobile optimization on their phone for speed, so therefore let's go back to picking on mom. Mom is not going to go when she uses four or five different apps, or what's that? Four or five, 40, 30 apps, or whoever uses 30 apps and over the course of the last five months are rarely going in and closing all of those apps to make sure that everything is nice and phone optimization and usage is great. Most people are not doing that. Mom probably hasn't even doesn't even know how to even go through and clear out her Safari tabs, clear out all the other open apps. But here's what Apple does. Yes, you have all that horsepower, this luxury vehicle, but the thing is it's keeping that phone running at optimum that people don't realize. What happens with the Android is typically you have all those running and then guess what you have to do Educate people. Then of like okay, you open that big app, close that big app. Oh, you open those big photos, close those big photos, guy.
Speaker 1:What I'm saying is it puts in a person like yes, are you giving an education? Absolutely you're giving an education. But at the same time, apple didn't have to do that. They kept it so simple by having all that under the hood that that's why most people go to the Verizon store when, after two years of not closing tabs, they look at the Verizon man and say, my phone's starting to be sluggish, is it getting old? And they just do two steps and open their Safari tabs. As well as ma'am, you have 1,071 Safari tabs open. Close those up and I bet your performance will start working better. What I'm saying is I just feel like the extra horsepower under the hood it does matter, because it's making it still a superior product by the fact that it could hold all that information, and the user was not even aware that it was taking place. But again, this is my point.
Speaker 2:Like I said, I don't think we even disagree. I think we actually disagree in the conversation we're having. I think you are just. I don't know if you just don't like calling it Jiggerbug for adults.
Speaker 1:No, I feel perfectly fine saying that Jiggerbug and I are over here.
Speaker 2:Go back to the Tesla analogy. All you're doing is talking about if I didn't have to change my oil and no one ever had to teach me how to do this, then you know what? Isn't it better to never have to change oil? We fundamentally disagree. No, I think it's probably going to be better in the long term to just teach the guy how to change his oil than to tell him he needs a car that's more expensive and does more things that he doesn't need. I think the oil change is fine. It's a lot easier to teach that guy hey, just go under the hood, change your oil and you'll be fine, than to say, spend 10,000 extra dollars or spend 1,000 extra dollars or hundreds of extra dollars for things you'll never actually need, because Apple sells a lot of things no normal person actually needs.
Speaker 1:I mean and again I'm not going to argue the dynamics of what the average person is, because I, again, I am not the average user and so I do think I'm very well aware of doing enough tech support for average users. But with that being said, um, aaron, do you have anything to add to this?
Speaker 3:the only thing I was going to say, which my thing was going to be a car analogy. It was going to be, but I was going to my which. My thing was going to be a car analogy it was going to be, but I was going to my analogy. For me, personally, was going to be it's a Honda. The reason I drive a Honda is because I believe because number one, I used to work there and, secondly, I believe that it's going to take me 300,000 miles and I believe I have the it has a track record to do so, so I went and bought a Honda. Then I went and bought my wife a Honda, and so we both have Hondas, and that's the reason I'm going to say for me a lot of times that I'm going to have buy an Apple product. In my mind, it's not necessarily a luxury vehicle, it's a dependable. My wife just got rid of her 2011 MacBook Air and we still have it because the kids are going to use it for homeschool. But I'm like to have a computer for what? That's what? 13 years and my wife still use it on the daily. To me, it's the Honda effect, and so this is why I would buy an Apple product.
Speaker 3:And other times when I worked at Hondaonda, I remember, um I shouldn't say I won't say his name because some of us know him um, but I remember having a honda customer who had 300 000 miles on their honda and it was the same year as the one uh, anton, you still have right of adrian's old one, um, and that car had 300 000 miles back in the day and I I remember Honda giving 25% to the replacement of the transmission and I was like what? Like I was the advisor on it. Everything called the company in there and I was like I can't believe that we give a car this old. We even give the customer 25%. And the other thing that happens when I walk into a Apple thing not every time but most of the time I walked in with a problem and I've walked out with a new device or a discount or some kind of helping me get to the next place. So for me that's what it's like, not necessarily a tesla, it's to me like a honda interesting well I just get one more thing.
Speaker 2:I know this. I'm just saying like to go to the honda. The reason this can't be a honda is because it's too expensive.
Speaker 3:Hondas are expensive.
Speaker 2:Hondas are the market value. A Honda Pilot will run you $40,000, which is the same as a Ford Explorer. It's priced at market value, which is my point. I mean Apple is not priced at the same price point as everything else. You could say an Acura, maybe you could say a Lexus if you wanted to. Both of those are quality vehicles. Obviously, honda makes Acura, toyota makes Lexus, but they're luxury vehicles. They're priced up.
Speaker 3:A Honda Pilot is on the same thing as a Chevy Trailblazer. No, because it wouldn't be a.
Speaker 2:Chevy Traverse because it has three roads.
Speaker 3:Okay, traverse, you're right.
Speaker 2:It's priced the same as a Traverse. We looked at all of them. I'm saying it's not priced more, it's priced the same. It's priced slightly lower than a Hyundai. What is the Hyundai?
Speaker 1:Santa.
Speaker 2:Fe. No, the three-row is not a Santa Fe. Oh, palisade, hyundai, palisade Kia Telluride. No-transcript.
Speaker 3:It's why.
Speaker 2:Apple people typically make fun of Android people for being poor because there is a price component to Apple.
Speaker 3:But there's a price comparison to a Honda.
Speaker 2:What's a Honda more expensive than?
Speaker 3:A Chevy.
Speaker 2:It's not A Chevy Traverse. Again, if you compare comparable vehicles, that's just not a true statement.
Speaker 3:If you go by the lowest end of both. I'm not talking about the high end of both, I'm talking about the low end.
Speaker 2:What you're saying is just not true. It did this.
Speaker 3:This bought one I can't see your tabs. Right now I'm telling you.
Speaker 1:A Chevy Traverse. I can't see your tabs right now, but I'm telling you, chevy.
Speaker 2:Traverse. You need an Android. Chevy Traverse is $37,000. The lowest in Chevy Traverse is $37,000. The lowest in Honda Pilot is $39,000. Okay, so there is a price difference.
Speaker 3:Okay, if we're going to say that, sure there's a less than an L-star.
Speaker 2:Now, if we go to the highest end, can we both be assured who's going to have the higher? Who do you think has the highest end?
Speaker 3:Oh, Chevy's going to go with the highest end.
Speaker 2:Oh, they're not, bro Dude. No, anyway, we don't have Okay.
Speaker 3:I'm looking it up right now. Okay, either way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you're wrong, because of course it's not true. Well, the only reason I was wondering, I was like this is a chevy traverse podcast the point that I'm making? Is that? Yes, what's the point that's?
Speaker 2:I'm curious honda's in apple or cannot be conflated because apple is above the market value. Honda is at market value. Okay, if apple were real again, we wouldn't even be having this conversation, at least with me. If apple phones were, let's say, especially like the pro was 700 less and the other, the regular phone, was 300 less. Because it's not a justification for their prices, because it's a luxury vehicle, just like the, their, their laptops, their tablets, even their iMac, which I have. They're overpriced for what they are. It's not a fact of they're useless. I don't think that's true at all. They're good, as are a lot of staple items, but they're priced well above market value. So people can say I have an Apple product and it means something, and to me that's just marketing.
Speaker 3:I can agree with the marketing. So sorry that took us on the traverse. Let me just the other thing that I was going to say about the Honda is I understand they're not comparable, but I'm saying, if I were to buy a Honda, the resale value on my Honda is higher than the resale value on my Chevy. Ok, let me go back to real Pontiac G6. So the resale value on my Honda, though, is higher than the one on my old Pontiac G6. So one day for me. Apple products. Another reason I buy Apple products is because one day I'm going to sell this said iPad in front of me, I'm going to sell this macbook in front of me, and because I have a higher resale value. It is to me. I know this may be the weakest argument ever, but I have a lot more to put down on my next one, so it keeps me going in versus. I have thought about buying a like what? A samsung tab or one of. Uh well, I've my kid used to have the. Um, what do?
Speaker 1:you call it the $50 ones.
Speaker 3:Yeah I remember trying to use that thing I'm like what in the world?
Speaker 3:I would rather just go ahead and just give somebody my money than use one of those but for, uh, but for me that's the other reason I was going to compare it to a honda is because the resale value is higher. So back in the day I know this is a couple of years ago me and my wife could both replace our phones every other year and not pay a dime because we sold our phones outright. Another reason why we stayed in the Apple ecosystem because I could sell my phone for a grand almost like probably $800 and almost walk in the store and pay cash for a new one. And that's another reason why I compare it to a Honda.
Speaker 1:Okay, guys, this was question number two, and I really did have five questions, as we would continue this entire thing about Apple versus Android, and so this will be just for fun, but I guess, hey, you can't have too much fun so we're going to have to split this up, because I really want us to take some time and really get to that issue of the price point, and then I think at the end, what we can do is we can do a test where we go through and we name all of the different aspects of each one, whether customization and features, and we'll do the best we can to be objective as possible, and then we can do something that few people have ever done is end the debate upon this Apple versus Android and for each individual person a solid way to do it.
Speaker 1:But this is as far as we can go. But are there any other thoughts about what we've discussed thus far, about operating systems and the jitterbug for adults, so to speak that we have noticed about Apple versus Android? Before we close this part of the conversation up, I have nothing.
Speaker 3:I'm good until next time.
Speaker 1:Okay, no, chevy Traverse comments.
Speaker 3:I will put this comment. Anton was correct. Anton was correct. Anton was correct. The Chevy Traverse is less than a full thing, honda Pilot. So just for the record.
Speaker 1:But I'm glad you put that out there. But anyway, all right If all hearts and minds are clear for this episode. I hope you enjoyed this Just For Fun episode and maybe you want to join in to the conversation too of saying, hey, this is why I love. You enjoyed this just for fun episode and maybe you want to join into the conversation too of saying, hey, this is why I love Apple and this is why we love Android. We talk about so many huge philosophical things and so sometimes it's good just to step back and just have a little bit of fun, and I hope that you've taken and joined our little bit of fun in this, and so next time we're going to try to go ahead and finish up this conversation, because this matter about pricing, I do believe, has some cultural implications. That gets back to the norm of what this podcast and stuff is all about, but we will get to all of those things next time. So thank you so much for joining us this time.
